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[quote]holeinthehat (9/15/2008)
Let me explain-
Churches are not following the father son pattern, they are not raising up interns and people who they have equiped to take on FULL TIME MINSTRY POSITIONS, I really believe that when you search for pastors and interview them you make minstry a career that pastor will only care for his/her career and have not real heat for that ministry as they are hired into that vision and it is not birthed in them. Jesus tells a parable how when shepherds were looking after sheep, a wolf came and they ran because they where only hirelings. Sons and daughters will follow the fathers vision (father meaing the head of your church).
This is kingdom people, STOP PLAYING CHURCH ITS NOT A JOB ITA A MINISTRY.
Interview questions are not needed, when you take some one out of your own minstry and train them, take them forward go the extra mile, be transparent with them, test them with responsibility, give them responsibiliy, they can be come full time pastors. [quote]
Robert,
1. All caps is the equivalent of yelling. Why yell at us?
2. You are off base. Yes you can find great people in the church to minister. At our church every member is a minister. I'm passionate about the church I serve in and I was "hired". I have been here seven years and have no plans on leaving because God called me here. It works both ways, you can raise up from within but there are times you can bring someone in from the outside as well. To think the only right way is to raise ministers up from within is a nice idea but just isn't reality in most cases or the way God works in every situation. Look at the church planters in the New Testament, were they from within?
3. I assume you re referring to the story Jesus shares in John 10? You take it out of context and misapply. This has nothing to do with a son following a father but about us (sheep) following Jesus (our shepherd) This parable is about Jesus and his followers and not about hired staff in a church. When Jesus told this story the church didn't even exist. The church isn't born until Acts, chapter two if I remember correctly. It is also about protecting the church from wolves.
4. Please show us the father son church leadership model in the New Testament so we can better understand where you are coming from.
5. Your replies have nothing to do with the original posting. Next time start your own post and vent there but don't go off on those of us that were called by God to serve in His church where He decided that He wanted to place us to minister and equip believers to minister as well.
Andy
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| I am sorry I did not mean to offend all im saying is that, in that situation that the writer should have already have had someone ready, I don't mean that you or your husband are fake or are not there for the right reasons. I truely apologize, thank you for your hard work I believe you will make the difference in that church I do appologize. Thank You Robert Bocking
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| The original poster is trying to find a job, not hire someone. It's OK, I'll survive. But I think we need to be careful about how we put things. Every situation is not always the same.
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holeinthehat (9/15/2008)
Let me explain- Churches are not following the father son pattern, they are not raising up interns and people who they have equiped to take on FULL TIME MINSTRY POSITIONS, I really believe that when you search for pastors and interview them you make minstry a career that pastor will only care for his/her career and have not real heat for that ministry as they are hired into that vision and it is not birthed in them. Jesus tells a parable how when shepherds were looking after sheep, a wolf came and they ran because they where only hirelings. Sons and daughters will follow the fathers vision (father meaing the head of your church). This is kingdom people, STOP PLAYING CHURCH ITS NOT A JOB ITA A MINISTRY. Interview questions are not needed, when you take some one out of your own minstry and train them, take them forward go the extra mile, be transparent with them, test them with responsibility, give them responsibiliy, they can be come full time pastors. With love Robert www.difc.org.za[/quote] I also find this offensive. I am not youth minister at the church I was saved at. To think that those who come from outside the church won't have love or passion about the people is nuts, in my opinion. To consider those who are pastors who have not been going to that church as hirelings is the problem with churches today. Many churches look at their pastor and youth minister as hirelings instead of members of the church and that's one reason pastors and youth ministers don't stay at churches very long. I find your entire post to be a slap in the face of all those pastors and youth ministers who don't fit your view of what ministry should be. Also when God calls a pastor to a church maybe, just maybe, God's trying to change the direction of the church.
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| Hey Everyone, Great insight and help to the original post. Thank you to those who offered suggestions from their ministry experience(s) on what to look for when interviewing a church. I am sure it will be found helpful. There are different methods a church can use in training and developing future staff and current church members; neither is right or wrong. It is simply a matter of preference. What is wrong is for us to discuss a topic so aggressively. Posts that are hurtful & degrading will not be permitted. Anyone doing so will have their account deleted. We want to keep things positive. This forum exists for encouragement, opposite opionions, advice, ideas and support. Let's remember we are all on the same team. Blessings. Matt, Forum Moderator
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I think the biggest thing is to know yourself and what you need in leadership, and try to find out what the leadership structure and supervision will be for you. Did they have previous youth pastors, why did they leave, talk to more than just the search committee people....
Vision, talk to leaders and youth leaders and see what their vision is for the church and what it is for the youth ministry. Answers lacking vision or clarity can spell trouble to you later. I have had one church that had lack of corporate vision and it didn't go well.
I would also say beware of the "fixer upper" mentality. I say it to couples, and i think its the same for churches. You see its flaws, don't expect that in a few years that you will be able to fix them in quick fashion... it won't happen. You end up in a long term relationship being endlessly frustrated with the job and they get frustrated with your working in ways that are abrasive to them.
Get a feel for the culture as best as possible. What do people wear to church, what do they drive, (not saying this is indicative of good or bad church, just how comfortable you might be in that environment and what their norms are). Try to find out volunteers, how many in the congregation are, and how many are doing more than one ministry. IF too many are doing many things, watch out for abandonment when you sign on.
Those are my ideas.
matt
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7. Any reason as to why your church has gone through 4 youth pastors in 6 years?
Andy
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