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Posted 9/22/2008 7:46:18 AM


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Hello Boards,

 This is my first post. So, yeah for that.

 I have been the Youth Director for about 7 years, in my current calling for about 4. We have a terrific Youth Ministry program, running youth group on Sunday evenings, service/mission outreach on Wednesday evenings, and in depth Bible study on Thursday evenings. Every program we launch is well attended by our group and each one is growing rather consistently.

My issue is Sunday mornings. We had a decent Sunday School program when I arrived, but kids stopped showing up this year. NONE of them come to Sunday morning corporate worship. In my last call, the kids all came, cuz that's just what you did. Sunday morning was non-negotiable. In my current call, however, the attitude is different. In 4 years, I have yet to get the kids to show regularly on Sunday morning. My Pastor (the boss man) and I were discussing it and he has expressed a real desire to see the kids Sunday morning for corporate worship. He is awesome, willing to do whatever it takes.

Our issue is that we have run out of ideas. I have tried sermons on the importance of worship, lesson series on joining the congregational body as a whole, involving them in service responsibilities (trying to create ownership of the service), intense and continual prayer on the issue, talking to parents, begging, pleading, bribes, threats, and even offering rides. Nothing has worked. It's a little embarrassing, to be quite honest. Every other thing I do is blowing up, but I can't make this happen... I have taken the high road, and the low road, an neither is working.

I have expressed the concern with my ministry team, and we feel like part of the issue is the cultural climate of the parents, given that many of our kids don't drive. If it isn't important to the family, it won't be important to the kids. Nevertheless, I am not one to just pass blame, or even assign responsibility and walk away. I really want to solve this issue, and I am going crazy trying. It's baffling, and I can't figure it out. So I am looking for help...

We have a contemporary service (8:45am, which may be part of the problem), so it's not even like we are subjecting them to boring "high church."

I am open to any ideas/ the collective wisdom of the boards....

God Bless & Godspeed,

Holy Ghost Echo

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Posted 9/23/2008 5:34:34 PM


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Welcome to the Group Forums. I'm sure you'll get some advice on this topic. Personally I don't have any advice for you but I'll definitely be praying for you and your Youth Group.

God Bless,

Josh

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Posted 10/9/2008 9:30:27 AM
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You have just asked the age old question.

Worship services, knowingly or not, target a certain age group. Honestly most churches Sunday AM services bore students to tears and that is why they don't want to go. But I read that you have a contemporary service at 8:45.
I just returned from vacation and attended a contemporary service at a church. Their contemporary would have been contemporary in 2000. I have discovered that churches use the label contemporary and it can mean a wide range of worship styles. The contemporary service I attended did not engage students, I know because I sat behind a row of them as they sat with their parents. (most the parents weren't even engaged in the worship experience)

Let's be honest a teen loves the worship service at summer camp and then ask how come Sunday mornings can't be like that. Truth is most of the older adults would bail on a church if the service was geared towards teens. We cater to the adults because they have the cash to keep the church operating.

Question 1. What in your worship service is appealing to students? I know that is a superficial question but let's be honest, most don't go to worship because they have a heart for worship but are looking for "what's in it for me?".

Question 2. Why is your contemporary service your early service? Our church transitioned years go from traditional to blended and then to a traditional and a contemporary (multiple services) we are not all contemporary. What we discovered is that the younger parents have a hard time getting their families out early for the contemporary service. A church would be wise to have their contemporary service as their second service. Teens get to sleep in and parents with kids have time to get them up and ready to roll.

Just my thoughts....


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Posted 10/11/2008 1:37:01 PM


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My strength is Sunday mornings.  My weakness is Wednesday evenings.  I'm more of a teacher than a funguy.  The kids who come on Sunday really want an indepth Bible study, a few games, a great snack (usually breakfast), and a real Bible study (no sermon).

Try having your group during church right after the worship set.  The kids get out of a boring sermon, they get breakfast, a Bible study on what they want to hear about....hey, it's all here on my website.  Give it a look:

http://sundayschoollessonconnection.com/



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Posted 10/11/2008 5:02:54 PM


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Could you find a way to get the youth involved in the service? That way there is a real 'reason' for them to be there. For instance, our male youth take up the offering every Sunday and many of the girls come to get involved in nursery. Just a thought!

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Posted 10/11/2008 6:11:01 PM


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Wow, I'm sure that's not how you meant it, but should a youth pastor consider the sermon "boring"?  As the wife of a pastor who puts HOURS into research, prayer, writing, rewriting, finding video clips, illustrations, artwork, etc. to go along with his sermon each week I think you need to value that part of worship a bit more.

Besides, taking youth OUT of corporate worship is, I believe, the worst thing you can do when it comes to making them feel part of the church as a whole. 


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Posted 10/28/2008 2:22:46 PM
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On thing I have noticed with Youth is they have to be excited about something, if your not then why should they. It is defiantly a bad idea to take the out of corporate worship and the sermon. It seems a little early though. We have our Sunday school start at 9:30. I find it hard sometimes to get kids out. But we started a Worship Class where the kids can learn an instrument and learn how music is used to worship God. A requirement was to attend Sunday services and sure enough we have had a good turn out.

We have had a few kids that have been radically saved and set on fire for God. This has generated a lot of attendance for us. We God gets a hold of the kids lives other ones will see that, then they will follow. They will want a deeper level with God.


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Posted 11/2/2008 3:44:39 PM
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I am a volunteer for the youth group and I sit every week looking at the youth during church and see them not engaged at all. I feel that they can be apart of the service but how? I feel that the youth are willing to do things in the service but it seems to me like someone posted before, then you will lose the whole congregation if we shift our focus onto the youth. I am frustrated because we are losing teens. We are needing to help them feel that the older church wants them.

How do I talk to the youth pastor about this problem? How do I address with the church leaders? I really want to help. I want them to be apart of the service and feel that they want to be there and be valued. Any ideas?
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Posted 11/22/2008 11:16:53 AM


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Peggy:  I'm sorry you were offended by us saying that sermons are boring.  I'm sure your husband does great sermons.  We did not mean this personally.  However, if I may use a hunting analogy, you may have the finest squirle gun ever made but if you're hunting bear you want a bear gun. What I mean is, a sermon created for grownups is going to put a middle schooler to sleep.  If middle school age kids are forced to sit thru it week after week, by the time they're in High School and can make the attendance descision for themselves they decide to not attend.

Corperate worship is another issue.  Families of all ages can sing praises and worship God together and all enjoy the experience of the family of Christ.  I like the kids being in the worship (singing) part of the service but the learning part is different.  Middle School age kids learn different than adults.  Kid's brains are different than adults.  Kids dig discussion, interaction, hands on activities.

High School kids are ready for the adult service and should be there but they have to want to be there.  My experience has been that by the time my Middle schoolers are graduating into High School they are eager to move up to "grown-up" status because they are soooo done with the kids stuff. It's all in their perception of the grown-up experience.  If they are forced to attend as Middle Schoolers they get the idea that it's boring.  If they have their own class they view church as fun and the graduation to the adult service as a cool step in becoming an adult.  The graduates from my class understand from the start that the next step is adult-hood.

It is good for the kids to hand out bullitens, be part of the worship band, service in the kitchen and nursery too as already suggested.  Our kids also play on the B-ball teams and do activities with the adults during the week. That's the family stuff. They feel valued and involved.

High School and Middle school age do attend the Wednesday evening youth group together because it's a small church.  If the facilities allowed I'd seperate the age groups here too.  I'm not against family ministy at all. Quite the opposite actually. But the term "Family-Ministry" has been completly misunderstood. 

I have a book review of a book called Family Based Youth Ministry by Mark DeVries on my website at this URL: http://sundayschoollessonconnection.com/teach_sunday_school.html  It's near the bottom of the page.

I'm not sure if you'll ever convice the current High School age kids that grown-up church is anything but boring but if you take a longer view and aim at the younger Junior High kids now you might see them attending when they become High Schoolers in a few years.



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Posted 11/25/2008 2:29:45 PM
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Peggy,

Never heard your husband preach so I can't judge there. I do know I have sat through sermons that pastors have spent hours in prep for and have been extremely bored. I know I have probably preached a few that have been boring as well. What makes a sermon not boring? I think it's connection. Is the topic being preached connecting with the listener and is the listener truly challenged to apply it in his or her life?


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